Benny
How common is glottal k?
Hi guys,

The other day I overheard a conversation between 2 British English speakers. My impression was that some final consonants seemed to disappear or turned to glottal stop when they spoke fast. For example, come back sounds like come baʔ, it doesn't sound like the unaspirated k.

So here are my questions,

<ul><li>How common is glottal k?</li></ul>

<ul><li>Are there other forms of glottalization, especially at the word-final position?</li></ul>

Thank you very much for your help.
1 juil. 2020 02:55
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I think it's unusual for /k/ to be completely replaced by /ʔ/, though it's very common for this to happen to /t/ in many European English accents (mainly in England and Scotland, but also parts of Ireland). Syllable-final /k/ and /p/ (and also /t/ in many accents where it is not replaced by /ʔ/) tend only to be pre-glottalised (or glottally reinforced), but this might be mistaken for a simple glottal stop by someone unaccustomed to hearing it. Native speakers do distinguish between /bæʔ/ (= "bat") and /bæʔk/ (= "back") (and indeed /bæʔp/ (= "bap")).
1 juillet 2020
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Just commenting so as to follow this interesting question, Benny. By the way, in American English, we never replace a K with a glottal stop, but I too have heard British speakers do so. You can hear final P, K, and T as a glottal stop in Cockney for sure (and related Australian accents, etc.), and maybe even in Estuary English. The glottal stop for T is much more widespread, occurring even in American English (in certain phonetic environments). This glottal stop pronunciation is, by the way, a useful way to notice where native speakers are making the syllable breaks….

1 juillet 2020
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Thank you for dropping by, Coligno. When I wrote <em>I'm fairly sure the /k/ is glottalised </em>I was hoping that an expert would confirm or not.

So the /k/ in "Back then" is usually pre-glottalised or glottally reinforced? Does this mean that it's a /k/ with a glottal quality? Or an (almost) glottal consonant with a k-like quality? But not a 'full' stop?
1 juillet 2020
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Are we speaking about this glottal stop but on the on the word back.
The same as on the stereotypical cockney "butter" OR "Mountain"

In that case I as a Londoner/cockney would say you all have an antiquated view of the cockney speaking.
I don't think I would ever say back or back then in the same manner as saying "butter" in cockney or "mountain" in cockney and English, there would be a release to emphasise the --cK but not a very sharp sudden stop as in the video for "butter" and "mountain" that would be extreme even for a cockney of old, that Mr Van Dyke got so very wrong.

In my opinion even an old cockney speaking the more stereotypical cockney would have a speech impediment, if they said BA -----silence --- C--KKk, whether by itself preceding a word or after another word, such as "back then".

P.S POST SCRIPT late Edit.
I think you may have misheard and misunderstood a full glottal stop with a glottal-ly reinforced sound as explained by @ Colingo, note I am not a linguist.
1 juillet 2020
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Yes, I think it's very common. When we say something like 'Back then', I'm fairly sure the /k/ is glottalised. Most of us do this, but few of us are aware of it.
1 juillet 2020
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