Mirella
Double Pronoun help! Glielo, Gliela, Gliele, Glieli and Gliene I'm sorry if this is rather basic but could somebody please explain when I would use the above double pronoun and perhaps provide some sentence examples. Many thanks for your help in advance.
3 nov. 2012 20:46
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I'll try to add something more at what had already been addressed by Manuel and (hopefully) answer the last question! So, generally these pronouns are composed forms of gli (personal pronoun) + article and for this reason there are several forms (depending on the "number" and "gender"). In a nutshell: Glielo - masculine singular Gliela - feminine singular Glieli - masculine plural Gliele - feminine plural (remember that generally in italian if you are referring to a group of mixed gender, you use the masculine). Gliene is a different composition (and a bit more difficult to explain), and it's easy to explain only through examples: "Marco ha chiesto 2 mele ma gliene hanno date 3" Literally: "Marco asked for 2 apples but they gave him 3" In this sentence "gliene" means "to him" (at least the gli part) and "3 apples" (where the noun apples is not actually present but implied). To quote a sentence used by Manuele: "Gliene ho date tante!" Literally: "I gave him/her a lot of whacks" (I know, it sounds terrible) In this sentence "ne" implies the noun "whacks" (botte in italian) that goes together with tante (a lot). To sum up, generally "ne" implies something that is not explicitly written/said. For instance, if I were to say: "Gli servivano 10'000 euro, ma la banca gliene ha dati solo 4'000" (He needed 10'000 euros but the bank only lent him 4'000) "ne" refers to euros. If I want to repeat "euros", I can avoid using "ne" by saying: "Gli servivano 10'000 euro, ma la banca gli ha dato solo 4'000 euro". To answer your question, yes you are absolutely right, the form of "glie**" depends on the gender/number of the object you are referring to! For what concerns the examples of glielo/gliela, etc. Manuele already made himself very clear... Just some advice if I may: careful with the sentence Manuele used "Gliela davo spesso"... In Italian it's easily (well, let's say it's always) "misunderstood" :P
14 novembre 2012
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Hi this is not rather basic, could be difficult for an Italian too. In any case Glielo means to him, an example... Io glielo avevo detto: I have said this to him Io te lo avevo detto: I have said this to you. So "lo" means this the object "gli" means to him and te mens to you or Io gliela davo spesso: I gave seldom this thing to him/her : now "la" means this thing but it's female "gli" means to him/to her. Glieli maybe it is not correct and Gliele means these things (ploural and female) to him/to her I am sorry if this is not clear but it is quite difficult for me to explain. another example: Io gliene ho date tante! means I gave to him/to her a lot (means beating someone with punches and slaps)
3 novembre 2012
Hi! I would add one thing: in correct grammar "gli" means "a lui", but in the every day speech people use it also for "a lei" (This is not my point of veiw, I read it in a university book about the use of the Italian language!) It's not really correct, but..you can hear it very often!
18 novembre 2012
Thank you Ales for your in depth explanation, I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify. I understand now and will be trying to use these in sentences. Also, thanks for the advice, I "understand" what you mean!! haha :) Ciao
15 novembre 2012
Thank you so much for the explanation Manuele :) I really appreciate you taking the time. So the ending of the Glie depends of whether the object... the thing... is masculine, feminine and plural or not? Is that correct? I think what is confusing me is that I'm thinking of whether I am talking to a man or woman as to where I should use lo, la, le instead of whether the object is masculine or feminine. Am I still getting it wrong or is this right? Thank you so much :)
7 novembre 2012
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