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Why do some teachers let lesson requests expire?

I intentionally make lesson requests only to teachers who have been online recently. This is because I'm a busy person and I have limited time slots available in my schedule, so I want a quick turn around if possible. I usually don't know until a few days before if I'll have a time slot free. When I get a quick decline, I normally have time to ask someone else. If a teacher doesn't have time to visit the site, I understand the expiration.  But it's a bit frustrating to me if the teacher is online and won't take a few seconds to decline.

The only explanation for this I can think of is they think it's more polite to let it expire, but maybe there are more. Does italki give teachers bad marks for declining lessons?

Incidentally, although only about 10-20% of my requests get declined, the reason is almost always the same - the teacher really wasn't free during the time slot I selected. Maybe they'd rather not decline because they feel obligated to give a reason?

27 ott 2017 05:00
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I can only imagine they're under the illusion it’s more polite to let the request expire. Actually, I believe it’s official italki policy that teachers are expected to decline a request as soon as they know they won’t be able to accept it. There is no penalty for declining a request. Quite the contrary, it seems there used to be a stern warning for allowing a request to expire, although italki has probably dropped that feature, along with showing disputed sessions and canceled packages on teacher profiles. It’s really a shame that students no longer have access to such impartial data — and I was happy getting fewer disputed sessions in a year than most teachers got in a week. Oh, well; I guess everyone deserves a gold star these days….

27 ottobre 2017
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Yvona

According to your last post I now understand your point. It's not about financial thing at all. What you are putting on the table is more a "understanding, compassion and human being thing"

So yes, in my opinion (this is now about opinions) the teacher should be a bit understanding and flexible and this is somehow a marketing strategy as well.

If I have a new student that couldn't show up to the lesson, I'll ask the reason and probably would offer to re-do the session at another time (without requesting the payment), maybe he's a potential student and maybe the reason he missed was something serious that couldn't be avoided. If I choose to charge this student (new student), I would be gaining that money of that specific session but probably he would be upset and would probably not book any other lessons since he'd have lots of other teachers to choose instead. But this is how I deal. 

So yeah, the student has all the rights to not want to have lessons with that teacher anymore but the teacher has all the right to request payment for the missed lesson but a smart professional would prefer to "forgive" that or those "serious situations" and keep the student for more future lessons than losing him for one or two times "easy" money. 


27 ottobre 2017
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@Yvona 

If teachers didn't get paid when a student fails to show up, they'd be reluctant to teach on Italki, wouldn't they? Can you imagine how many people would simply not show up if they knew it wouldn't cost them anything? 

And when teachers fail to show up, I really don't see what Italki could reasonably do other than return money to the student and lower the teacher's attendance rate accordingly. 

Once again, if this is a big deal for you, then just choose teachers with a perfect attendance rate, and problem solved. And if that's not good enough, then you do have the option of simply not taking lessons on Italki. 

ETA: You know, if you are a long-term student, and you always show up for lessons, and then all of a sudden you have a legitimate emergency, there's a decent chance the teacher will allow you to reschedule (informally). But that's up to the teacher, and that's how it should be. Anything else, and teachers would flee Italki. 

Though personally, I would simply pay for a missed lesson, even if I missed it due to an emergency, and I wouldn't try to negotiate with the teacher. (Actually, I have missed three or four Italki lessons due to technical problems, and each time, I simply confirmed the lesson.) Why? Partly because I think that that's what's fair. But it's also because I want teachers to know that I am a reliable student, that I'll show up unless there's an emergency, and that even if there's an emergency, they'll still get paid without any sort of negotiation or hassle. 
27 ottobre 2017
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I am not so sure it would be fair to show the number of disputed lessons and cancelled lesson packages on a teacher's profile. Why? Well because it may very well be a student's fault. Suppose a student fails to show up. So, should the teacher try to accommodate the student (reschedule after the fact), or should s/he report that the student failed to show up, get paid for the lesson, and have the number of disputed lessons in his/her profile go up? It just doesn't seem fair. Teachers' profiles still have an attendance rate, which I now pay quite a bit of attention to (I didn't use to, but I learned from a bad experience). Now, showing the number of expired (not declined) lesson requests does seem like a good idea... 
27 ottobre 2017
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I think that disputed sessions and cancelled packages should be shown on teachers' profiles as this is quite guidelune factor of their reliability.

Another inequality I've found here is teachers' possibilities of cancelling already booked lessons whenever before their starts. Yes, life might be unforeseen and we are all humans, but if occurs something VIS MAJOR to students, they have to pay indeed in contrast to teachers who just get away with it and nothing really happens. But students might have their business too or they need to have lessons, because they are going to have an important job interview or exams.

As I am concerned, I've never asked any of my teachers to cancell or postpone lesson immediately before it, although I might have had a clear reason. I find it a valid contract Also I really don't mind when some teachers asked me to cancell lessons or packages. But it should be regarded equally for both sides..

27 ottobre 2017
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